Subject	Thanks for the research. This is what I have been saying
Posted by	AshsZ on February 09, 2004 at 3:38 PM
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In Reply To	Big brakes versus stock brakes posted by ssshakey on February 09, 2004 at 02:37 PM
Message	in the recent discussions on big brakes. From my own experience in driving various Z's equipped with various levels of braking, none of the brake upgrades that use stock rotors show any appreciable difference in braking ability compared to a completely stock braking system when you are talking about daily, legal driving. One thing not mentioned in that paragraph (because it was only specifically addressing braking distances) is the braking response. Because larger brakes have a torque/leverage advantage over smaller brakes, it requires less pedal pressure to achieve the same braking power. This also means that in the quick application of the brakes, a larger rotor is going to produce the same braking response quicker and with less effort. It isn't until you have driven a Z with larger upgraded brakes that you will experience what I am speaking of. The anti-fade resistance factor isn't noticed until you really get out and beat your car, of which I do daily, and I love the big brakes over the stock brakes... Just my $.02 [ ashleypowers.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] [ Zemulator Information Sheet ] [ Z1 Motorsports Website ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	Big brakes versus stock brakes - ssshakey 14:37:52 02/09/04 right!!! - JC_NS 14:43:14 02/09/04 The problem I've personally encountered w/ the stockers is - PiotrC70 14:51:59 02/09/04 From what i'm told, it's more design / engineering than size - Smurf Z 15:00:52 02/09/04 and neither do the drilled/slotted rotors... they look nice - Scotts94z32 15:06:07 02/09/04 My non-expert thoughts/experiences - Z U N L 15:09:08 02/09/04 truly ground-breaking info there (n/m) - RobWR14 15:34:51 02/09/04 This is why I have been advocating disposable drag chutes - CaptK(ATL) 15:36:56 02/09/04 Thanks for the research. This is what I have been saying - AshsZ 15:38:23 02/09/04 Good info, i have experienced the same in my cousins - Waco300zx 15:42:11 02/09/04 My penis is bigger than yours (n/m) - Tennyson (ATL) 15:43:23 02/09/04 rubber ducky. - nixit 15:52:59 02/09/04 Re: rubber ducky. - Luke@tirerack 16:05:14 02/09/04 He means with proper pads I'd think - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 16:18:44 02/09/04 gotta love the search feature - Guapo 16:23:44 02/09/04 =) (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 16:28:36 02/09/04 You know a guy named Grant who has a wife that works - Tennyson (ATL) 16:19:29 02/09/04 No, fuzzy wuzzy wuz a bear. - AshsZ 16:05:49 02/09/04 Yea!!!! :) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:20:20 02/09/04 solar flares? nope. full moon? nope. damn..im at a loss - genic 16:42:14 02/09/04 what's up with all you dallas ppl getting threating emails? (n/m) - Halo Z 16:49:36 02/09/04 im not aware that anyone in dallas is getting anything - genic 16:54:02 02/09/04 You've got mail. =) (n/m) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 17:14:09 02/09/04 Ahhh.....never mind..... (n/m) - Spongerider :) 17:07:29 02/09/04 you too? sweet. i'll be looking for mine too.... (n/m) - Halo Z 17:09:40 02/09/04 It's not just Dallas people :/ (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 17:15:07 02/09/04 ! (n/m) - Spee 18:01:19 02/09/04 wow I feel left out :( - aliaZ 22:04:58 02/09/04 I'm just trying to clear the air... - nixit 17:46:41 02/09/04 Big brakes are better IMHO. - AshsZ 19:12:29 02/09/04 What is your setup? (n/m) - trackstar 20:13:12 02/09/04 I'm with you on this one - Technomancer 16:11:07 02/09/04 Your brake ducting makes an appreciable difference as well, - hoss 16:22:41 02/09/04 yes ... highly recommended (n/m) - Guapo 16:24:56 02/09/04 Yep. It's on my list to do as well. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 16:29:08 02/09/04 Absolutely. - nixit 17:51:15 02/09/04 Speedbleeders rock - U ZCREAM 18:16:32 02/09/04 That happens if the lines were completely drained - kuah@splparts.com 19:26:05 02/09/04 Good to know. Thanks (n/m) - U ZCREAM 22:13:33 02/09/04 you have a writeup on those ducts ? pics ? anything ? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 21:36:13 02/09/04 I need to add them to my 'winter to do list' (n/m) - Spee 18:02:39 02/09/04 You know, history shows you're right - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 16:27:15 02/09/04 You know I agree with you! ;-) (n/m) - PA_Z 17:08:43 02/09/04 Wider tires also help cause of the greater contact patch - PiotrC70 16:18:55 02/09/04 in theory..yes - genic 16:31:20 02/09/04 right, but braking distance does not change!!!! - ssshakey 18:40:31 02/09/04 if the tires hold, distance must change due to more wheel tq (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 20:19:26 02/09/04 unless of course the bias gets soo skewed it actually hurts - Chris(NJ) 20:24:41 02/09/04 Exactly. You've got it. Check out this link too for more: - PA_Z 21:19:27 02/09/04 So what makes a bigger difference in performance then... - RotaZ 16:30:59 02/09/04 I think you missed the whole point of this thread... (n/m) - CaptK(ATL) 16:53:15 02/09/04 calipers (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 20:10:12 02/09/04 ever driven a Z with big brakes? - Spee 17:56:09 02/09/04 You missed my point... - ssshakey 18:21:24 02/09/04 I agree with that. - Spee 18:26:36 02/09/04 Still, I think you're talking about FEEL. - ssshakey 18:31:40 02/09/04 fair enough... - Spee 18:41:30 02/09/04 like bernie said....already been tested. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 20:09:07 02/09/04 I know. - Spee 20:31:28 02/09/04 The ST are >. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 22:47:17 02/09/04 blah (n/m) - Guapo 23:44:10 02/09/04 Stop Tech did exactly that prior to the release of their - YugoBernie (NoVA) 18:59:05 02/09/04 Dunno what tires your running, but maybe you need to - trackstar 20:19:55 02/09/04 actually pedal pressure/travel depends greatly on caliper - Chris(NJ) 20:06:20 02/09/04 Definately. Using the stock calipers keeps things in - AshsZ 21:05:13 02/09/04
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